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Nant Gwynant, North Wales & Snowdonia Show on map


Sykes rating

  • 4 Guests

  • 2 Bedrooms

  • 1 Bathroom

  • Pets Yes


  • Off road parking
  • Open fire
  • Garden / Patio
  • Cot available
  • Washing machine

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46 Customer Reviews

  • "Absolutely wonderful place."

    A little piece of heaven. Couldn’t fault our stay at all. Will definitely be returning

    Reviewed by Cheryl5.0Mar 2024

  • "Thank you so much for allowing us to change the date, and despite 5 days of rain we were able to summit Snowdon and ventured out every day."

    We had a lovely time and appreciated a comfy warm cottage to come home to it was absolute bliss and hope to return. Thank you

    Reviewed by Nigel5.0Mar 2024

  • "It was a very relaxing place every think you could want"

    Reviewed by Richard4.7Mar 2024

  • "The cottage was perfect, everything we wanted."

    The only things we thought needed to be mentioned ...the black information book needs updating. The directions need to be clear. Other than that We loved everything about the cottage and its location. Thank you

    Reviewed by Dyan5.0Oct 2023

  • "The cottage is beautiful with stunning views across woodland, mountain ranges and the lake."

    The gardens were equally beautiful. The cottage was very homely and welcoming. We had everything we needed. I was just disappointed that we had to leave but we will book again. Our two dogs also loved it. It’s also in a great spot to visit everything. It lived up to our expectations and more.

    Reviewed by Mandy5.0Sep 2023

  • "The property had all we needed,but 1 thing I would put to the owner is to cut back all the road up to the cottage ,it really is very over grown."

    Reviewed by Jillian4.4Jun 2023

  • "We had a really lovely time and enjoyed the beauty and peace of the cottage."

    Our only small issue was that the radiators didn't come on, although the range was working. We just bought extra wood but we were a bit chilly. Otherwise, a great holiday.

    Reviewed by Helen4.4Apr 2023

  • "Feels like the owners have listened to other comments guests have left and acted upon them."

    The track leading up to the cottage is perfectly accessible for all but the lowest of vehicles and looks to have been patched. The whole house was perfectly clean and the kitchen well stocked with crockery and utensils. The Stanley hob remains a mystery, but we had hot water and heating throughout our stay. The pictures on the site don't do the cottage justice, especially if the sun comes out. They really mean it when they say no connectivity you have to drive down to Beddgelert or to the Llanberis pass to get a signal. Make sure you bring all the food you'll need, as the closest shop is in Llanberis, which is a good half hour round trip. The cottage is well stocked on the entertainment front with books, games and jigsaws, but do consider how you'll entertain yourselves should the weather be bad. You're about a mile off the start of the Watkins path if climbing Snowdon or a short walk down to the lake for canoeing or paddle boarding. Will definitely be booking this place again!

    Reviewed by Steve4.4Apr 2023

  • "An amazing property and exactly what I wanted, no TV, Wifi, or phone signal, just a log burner, an Aga and the most amazing view you could wish for."

    ..outstanding property in an unbelievable position.

    Reviewed by Christopher4.7Feb 2023

  • "Lovely house, very warm, comfortable, and isolated."

    The directions to the house are poor. The house is at the end of a youth hostel drive and you need to drive down a road marked unsuitable for vehicles; it needs to be made clear that this is the road that should be taken.

    Reviewed by Michael3.8Oct 2022

  • "Perfect holiday break away from the modern world."

    Absolutely loved our stay here! Beautiful views and a peaceful private place to stay - perfect for stargazing. The facilities are great with an aga-like oven/central heating, wood fire, washing machine, all the kitchen essentials and very comfortable bed. Well-located with good walks starting nearby, and a relatively short drive to many attractions in the north of Wales - plus Caffi Gwynant nearby is the best brunch I've had in the UK. There is no WiFi, cellphone reception or TV. This was a huge bonus for us but does require a little preplanning. E.g. downloading key information/Google maps for the area to my phone before arriving, and if you really want TV you can always bring a laptop with downloaded episodes. The place was clean but like any older country house it's difficult to keep sparkling clean - whole place is very well maintained for the age.

    Reviewed by Rosemary4.7Sep 2022

  • "We had a lovely time."

    The house was as shown on the pictures and the view to the lake and surroundings is stunning. The place was perfect for what we wanted: a place where you can either stay home and relax or use as a base to go and explore Snowdonia Park. It is quite remote and the amenities are indeed basic but we did not care too much about it. We downloaded movies on the tablet in case we wanted to watch a movie in the evenings. I think the place could maybe do with a little bit more cleaning (sorry there were quite a lot of cobwebs) and the bathroom shower could be better. But overall this is a great place and I would recommend it.

    Reviewed by Yoann4.1Aug 2022

  • "What a wonderful place, right in the heart of snowdonia."

    This place is like somthing out of a fair tale, the veiw is breath taking, we loved the fact there was no TV, no WiFi and no phone signal. Don't ever change this place keep it how it is

    Reviewed by Sarah5.0Aug 2022

  • "Pant Lleni is a classic Welsh cottage in a beautiful pastoral setting."

    On a meadowy hillside with long views of Llyn Gwynant, the cottage sits one valley over from the Pen-y-Pass routes to Mount Snowdon. The property is private, accessible through a locked gate via a narrow lane. A full downstairs and two bedrooms offer plenty of room for four, so this father-son duo were spoiled for space. Inside is cozy, with exposed beams, whitewashed walls and every basic convenience. If you're the "pampered" traveler, look elsewhere. But if you're looking for beauty, solitude and comfort after a solid day's hiking, this is the place. Magical.

    Reviewed by David5.0May 2022

  • "This was my 7th stay."

    Cleanliness on some past stays has been frankly appalling but this time much cleaner than recently and I can see repairs etc eg spotlights, all very welcome. But the Stanley packed up (repaired quickly thanks), no tea towels or bath towels, And the phone isn’t working. How can I report a problem when there’s no phone - Beddgelert is the nearest mobile signal, not a welcome trip after a 6 hour journey. And I had to repair the toilet seat when I arrived…it was fixed in totally the wrong position for some reason. The hob is still past it….has the mains wiring been checked?…earthing leak? The door lock needs attention…ok from outside but jams from inside. The track will need attention soon, particularly along the flat part. Compared with the past, these things are relatively minor but Pantlleni is expensive and these things shouldn’t need raising. I know the Stanley packing up is just one of those things but without a phone, I had a very cold day and night until I could make contact. I still love the place but it’s getting very pricey now, too much considering the facilities.

    Reviewed by David3.1May 2022

  • "If you are looking for a cottage with Wi-Fi, television, surround sound and a hot tub this isn't for you."

    If you are looking for a cottage of character in a magical location, it is. Most holiday cottages these days have been over modernised, offering the ambience of a dental surgery. Pantlleni is the opposite.

    Reviewed by David3.4Apr 2022

  • "Pantlleni was even more beautiful this year - we appreciated the new furnishings."

    It is such a special place and we had a great time, with walks from the door, star watching with unpolluted skies and enjoying the peace and beauty. The view from the front room window took our breath away each day as we walked in. We will definitely be back next year!

    Reviewed by Helen5.0Apr 2022

  • "What a lovely week at Pant lleni , it literally sits in the shadow of mount snowden ,the location and view over the lake are stunning !"

    Lots of places nearby to visit. Found the cottage to be very warm and cosy plentiful hot water and a lovely Aga that radiates heat. Great place for dogs with a lovely large garden . Described as basic but I beg to differ we were very comfortable . Get away from it all! Value for money is outstanding compared with other properties , it even has its own lake side access albeit unloved. Kitchen well equipped but the bathroom should be next on the refit list . All said we didn’t want to leave! Hope to return again. Ryan Devon

    Reviewed by Ryan4.1Apr 2022

  • "We all enjoyed ourselves again at the cottage."

    There were some very welcome additions/improvements since we were last there. The new chair, cushions etc. made it more cosy. The children enjoyed their stay and getting involved in everyday chores, ie. washing dishes, help preparing meals, setting the table, stoking up the log burner, jobs they never do at home. Surprisingly they did not miss their iPads, TV etc. went for lots of walks which they enjoyed. Would come again.

    Reviewed by Keith & Carole4.1Apr 2022

  • "What an outstanding Christmas stay."

    We appreciated the decorations hugely. We stay in the Nant Gwynant area 3 times a year. Pant Lleni is our new favourite. All amenities were perfect. View was outstanding. Walks were perfect, even found new trails through Coederyr (Eagle Wood). We would live to return. Heating, cooking and hot water was provided by a fantastic Stanley Range master oil fuelled cooker. Bit of research before the stay meant it was easily worked and provided many a delicious oven roast. Thank you for a wonderful stay.

    Reviewed by Paul5.0Dec 2021

  • "The house was very dirty, with mold around all the sky light windows, brown grease in the bathroom coming from the sky light, whitewashed walls that came off on our clothing and on everything it touched, I had to clean for three hours when we arrived plus the pots and pans that we used."

    Reviewed by William Antony3.4Oct 2021

  • "A fantastic house and breathtaking location."

    We loved it so much we’ve booked it again for next year.

    Reviewed by Jess5.0Oct 2021

  • "Prior to paying the balance for this holiday, I had emailed you expressing concerns about reviews left by previous holidaymakers on your website about the conditions at this property and was assured that it would be clean and free of damp."

    When we arrived, we discovered a rotten peach (literally turning black) under the kitchen table; a dried contact lens in the sugar bowl and a hair grip in the bathroom carpet. The bathroom had black mould on the walls and black cobwebs between the sink and the bath. There was a big score out of the bath at the tap end which would have caused an injury had we chosen to have a bath rather than a shower. Many lightbulbs had blown which we replaced with spares we found in the property. Some light fittings did not work at all and there were even light fittings on the ceiling that had their wires cut and cable tied back. The radio did not work but my husband spent time fixing that and one of the windows in the living room had been painted shut. The outside lights did not work at all which was a health and safety concern. Whilst we were aware there would be no telephone reception at the cottage, this could have proved to be a major issue as one evening, on our return to the cottage after dark, a tree had fallen across the access driveway. Fortunately we were able to move it ourselves, but had this been a larger tree and this had fallen during the night, we would have been unable to move it; unable to leave the cottage by vehicle and unable to get any help without having to walk 4-5 miles to the nearest point where we were able to achieve mobile reception. It is quite clear this cottage has not had any proper attention for many years and I would not be recommending a stay here to anyone. Such a shame, because it could have been so beautiful.

    Reviewed by Dawn1.9Sep 2021

  • "The location of this property and its views are amazing."

    On the negative side we couldn't get central heating or hot water working and the whole place needs a good bit of TLC.

    Reviewed by Emma2.5Aug 2021

  • "The road in was very overgrown, seems most of it is owned by the hostel that’s been shut down for about 2 years."

    The housekeeper cut back on the day before we came home, I did some on the day or our arrival and the next morning. Though that said it could have been a little cleaner, but not sure how often it’s been used if latel. Lovely views to the lake and very peaceful, too quiet initially for my wife. The garden was not fully in closed but it was in so much space you were enclosed by it. The grass was cut on the Friday before we left, it was quite tall, about knee high. It did not spoil what we did around the cottage, but would have been nice to have been shorter earlier. The bed was comfy, didn’t miss using the mobile, WiFi or tv, weather was perfect and the cottage was quaint and just an older style inside. The housekeeper is a lovely lady. This is an unbiased review and hope I don’t come across as moaning it just been objective, the bottom line is we had a good time here, my wife and I plus our two dogs, would we stay here again, yes we would, if you want to get away from it all and relax, then this is the place for you, handy for snowdon, handy for the lake, just walk down and hit the beach.

    Reviewed by Mark3.8Jul 2021

  • "Amazing views and rural charm can only get you so far."

    The view is exceptional as is the peace and quiet of this rural escape. The double bed was also comfortable. The steep driveway wasn't that bad either to be fair, we found it completely passable in our 4X4 which has good ground clearance. It may not be possible in a small compact car such as a Fiat Panda size car for example. But, that's where the positives end I'm afraid. This place needs an extreme deep clean, a good lick of paint, new chairs and a new oven. When we first arrived we noticed greasy cupboard door handles, a dirty hob, dust above all door frames, dirt behind the toilet, a moldy shower curtain, dusty extractor fan, dirty living room curtains, dirty living room rug, the list is too long to go into. We also only had hot water on day 1. After that, no matter what I tried I could not get any hot water. I had to boil the kettle to wash the dishes. Thank goodness there is an electric shower. There is also an overly complicated range oven with contradicting instructions, perhaps for future guests an explanation video on the booking confirmation would be helpful. Looking around the cottage aswell it became clear that every single wall is damp. I hung my coat on a hook and it was covered in white paint from the walls. This needs urgent attention. In the kitchen there are hardly any glasses or full sets of cutlery. So if there is more than 2 of you, you better take your own. Oh, and also, there is supposed to be a BBQ but all we found was a metal table with a rusty grate on it. Not at all good. I understand this to be a basic no thrills stone built cottage and it is, that was very clear in the listing. But, what I can't accept is that this cottage hasn't been well maintained at all. It appears they are just taking the customers money and letting it fall into disrepair which is such a shame. I would consider staying here again just for the view alone but the description of a basic no thrills cottage is no excuse for extremely poor standards inside the property. It needs a complete refurbishment, not to modernise but to make guests feel a little more at home.

    Reviewed by Michael2.5Jun 2021

  • "The cottage and what it offers in regards to peaceful, away from it all, stunning scenery and tranquility is spot on."

    It's our 3rd visit to this beautiful place but the facilities are not what they were. Not enough glasses and mugs, several bulbs not working in light fittings and lamps. Towels really need replacing as getting worn. Just felt a bit less looked after than it was. A bit of a shame.

    Reviewed by Tracy3.8May 2021

  • "The location of the cottage is stunning, and we enjoyed our holiday from the moment we arrived."

    The place was warm and welcoming, and we were greeted with a thoughtful welcome pack of tea, coffee, milk and chocolate biscuits. We all enjoyed walking from the cottage up to Snowdon and around Beddgelert, and we loved the clear starry skies. We had a wonderful week. There were comments in other reviews about the lane to the cottage but we found it perfectly accessible in our old Citroen Picasso - which does have good clearance - so long as we went slowly and carefully.

    Reviewed by Helen5.0Apr 2021

  • "Wonderful place!"

    Exactly as listed. Cottage was very homely and warm. Had a lovely stay!

    Reviewed by Stephanie4.7Sep 2020

  • "This is an old school holiday let, pretty basic but everything you need including a pint of milk and tea and coffee."

    Beautiful location. The lake in the pictures is actually across a main road which isn’t apparent from the pictures although there is access via a small gate and a short scramble through undergrowth. There is better access a little further down the road but there appears to be a charge to launch any craft, I think from the nearby campsite. There is a very large garden that isn’t maintained but is ideal for kids and dogs to run about in. All in all I would recommend this cottage.

    Reviewed by Pamela5.0Sep 2020

  • "Lovely cottage - comfortable, warm and well equipped, with great views."

    Great location for exploring local area and enjoyed the stay. Nearby caffi gwynant is great, as are the campsite facilities and food by the lake. Suggestions where it could be improved: email directions not as clear as those in the welcome book (it took us a while to find the cottage); should be explicit about very poor rutted track on approach to house (had to park at youth hostel); wood burner chimney was unswept and, as a result, fire kept going out. As for the ‘Sykes’ experience I emailed twice ahead of the visit but didn’t get either email acknowledged or answered, which is disappointing.

    Reviewed by Gareth4.1Sep 2020

  • "This is a lovely cottage in an idyllic location overlooking the mountains and lake."

    A welcome break from the fast pace of life. There is no internet or TV which adds to the charm of this cottage. The only point of note is that access to the cottage needs to be improved. The recommended access from the Youth Hostel is badly broken down and as indicated the first entrance is impassable by a car. Larger signs off the main road indicating the cottage would also be helpful.

    Reviewed by David5.0Aug 2020

  • "Booked via booking."

    Com and they mentioned WiFi and tv available. There wasn’t any of that but we new in advance so no problem for but I think that should be changed. Fantastic location with amazing views!

    Reviewed by Jan Chris4.4Oct 2019

  • "We loved the location, the cottage was rustic and charming and was exactly what we needed."

    no Wifi no TV no internet, perfect!! just what we needed. great place for starting to explore snowdonia. We would definately book again. Didnt take us long to work out the heating etc. The views were stunning, the fresh air, the scenery everything was amazing. ( fire chimney probably needs a sweep as the room got very smoky with the lovely log fire) but these are small gripes but all in all very happy as were the dogs

    Reviewed by Tim3.8Oct 2019

  • "The cottage along with the amazing views was heavenly."

    We had difficulty trying to work out the aga so we couldnt cook using the oven, not a problem though. We all loved the rustic feel. The only major problem i myself had was that the driveway is not suitable for an ordinary saloon car, my daughter had no problem as she has a 4x4. Luckily i didnt need to use my vehicle during our stay which was just as well as i would have needed recovery. We had just managed to get half way home when my brakes failed. the garage showed me that the brake pipe had been damaged due to the rough drive. May be a good idea to recommend drive not suitable for motor vehicles.

    Reviewed by Karen4.4Jul 2019

  • "Cottage was significantly cleaner than expected based on some previous reviews."

    Very good views and some useful information available in the guest book. Only complaint was visitors parking and blocking the road entrance road near the youth hostel. New signage is required as the current sign states no vehicle access so it suggests the road is not used.

    Reviewed by Robert4.7Jul 2019

  • "Stayed here on the recommendation from a colleague."

    Couldn't have been happier. The cottage was cozy, warm, well stocked, and exactly what I was looking for in my retreat to Snowdonia. Reaching it was straight forward, and communication/booking with Menai was also easy. I'll be sure to stay again!

    Reviewed by Timothy5.0Jun 2019

  • "Wonderful rural retreat !"

    Reviewed by Mark5.0Jun 2019

  • "This was my fifth time to the cottage."

    The view of course is wonderful but over the years the already basic cottage has clearly suffered from want of investment. The lighting hasn’t been sorted out. The hob works but is difficult to needs replacing. The crockery is poor and tired. Only two normal sized wine glasses left....poor. The bed linen needs replacing ....poor quality and too old and thin. The towels need boiling and checking for stains. Dusty old food bottles left by previous occupants should be thrown out...they’re just grubby and emphasise that the place generally needs a good deep clean and a lick of paint. And why is there still a stick for the electricity....pretty low class and irritating. It seems that more is being taken financially than given which is a shame because the cottage is inherently good quality and in an outstanding location. It always feels warm and welcoming when I arrive but it isn’t on that I have to spend the first two hours cleaning after a 6 hour drive just so that I can relax and enjoy my stay. Others have commented on this before and although in part it was better on arrival this time....the bath was dirty, the toilet mat clearly was filthy and the shower mat didn’t look clean either. The phone...literally brown with dirt....I gave that a good clean and disinfect before using. I love Pant Lleni and the broader lack of facilities doesn’t bother me but continuing grubbiness and lack of basic healthy conditions does. Come on Menai...time to get this sorted!

    Reviewed by David1.9May 2019

  • "Remote, quiet location, perfect for us, quirky cottage, but meets all our needs"

    Tami ShepherdFeb 2019

  • "Lovely cottage in great location."

    Away from internet and signal for a week and certainly didn't miss it. Some cars would struggle on the drive when loaded up so take care to arrive in daylight on arrival day. Comfy beds. Perhaps a bit more of a clean is needed in the kitchen. Great week with walks to the Snowdon summit starting a few hundred metres away. Thank you.

    Jan 2019

  • "The location of the cottage and the views onto the lake are beautifully peaceful, remote and serene."

    However, the cottage itself is in need of some rejuvenation (e.g. new sofa and armchairs needed, water tank above spare room is filling up very slowly and noisily over a long period of time) and the whole place needs a thorough top to bottom deep clean. The drive up to the cottage/ back onto the road is really quite off-road-ish and can easily present an issue for less confident drivers/ not off road suitable cars.

    Jul 2018

  • "Wow! That unbeatable view, the short walk to the lake, the magical garden."

    Both of us and the mutts were in holiday heaven. A 4x4 is useful for the track to the house. Can’t wait to return.

    Simon CooperJul 2018

  • "Quirky cottage in great location"

    Tami ShepherdFeb 2018

  • "Fab location, warm and welcoming, great facilities."

    Yes the drive could be trimmed back so the car would fit better through the bushes but that does not knock it back from 5 stars.

    Simon TamplinNov 2017

  • "Pantlleni is absolute delight!"

    The most fabolous views! We had fantastic family time. No tv, no wifi and no mobile reception was a big plus to get away from our busy lives and spend quality time with the children. We played games, made a bonfire and had BBQs every night! The dog loved it too especially swimming in the lake every day! The location is perfect to engage in various mountain and water activities, Zip world is close by too. We are definitely coming back!

    Desi GrayAug 2017

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  • Two bedrooms: 1 x double, 1 x twin
  • Ground floor bathroom with bath and shower over, handwash basin and WC
  • Kitchen with Stanley range (like an Aga) to provide cooking, central heating and hot water
  • There is also an electric hob, a microwave and a fridge with ice box
  • Washing machine in utility room
  • A dining/breakfast area is to one side
  • Sitting room with log burner, chairs, sofa and dining space
  • Garden with a sunny terrace with a barbecue and picnic table.
  • Views across Llyn Gwynant
  • Wood Burning stove, initial supply of kindling and logs, central heating, No TV, off road parking, Stanley range, electric hob, microwave, fridge with ice compartment, washing machine, garden, garden furniture, BBQ Local amenities 5 minute drive in Beddgelert
  • Bed linen and towels provided
  • 2 well behaved dogs welcome.

The property

In the heart of Snowdonia, this picturesque stone holiday cottage has stunning views of the lake and mountains.

Facing down the valley, it looks across Lake Gwynant to the mountains that rise from the shore.

This fantastic view can be enjoyed from the fireside or the garden. The kitchen has a Stanley range (like an Aga) to provide cooking, central heating and hot water.

There is also an electric hob, a microwave and a fridge with ice box.

A dining/breakfast area is to one side. The beamed sitting room is a bright and welcoming room with polished wooden floors, bright rugs and a window seat in a deep bay where you can sit and admire the views. There is a downstairs bathroom with an electric shower over the bath, wash basin and loo.

The utility room has a washing machine. Upstairs are two bedrooms.

The double room looks across the lake and valley and the twin room has mountain views. The garden has a sunny terrace with a barbecue and picnic table. Please note, that typical of many remote, rural properties, access is by a rough track. Pantlleni is very much a simplistic retreat, best suited to those who truly enjoy and appreciate the history and unique charm of traditional Welsh stone cottages.

You won't find the latest mod-cons or furnishings, but if you don't mind getting back to the basic necessities you will certainly find a sense of relaxation from the peaceful surroundings of this old cottage.

Step outside and breathe in the fresh mountain air.

Why not pack a picnic and while away a warm summers day by the picturesque Llyn Gwynant?

You could even take a paddleboard or canoe on the lake if you're feeling particularly adventurous! Close to Llanberis, Capel Curig and Beddgelert, Pantlleni is perfectly placed for exploring Snowdonia by car, or for walking the many footpaths that lead to the peaks and along the valley.

About half an hour's drive away are the sandy beaches of Anglesey and the Llŷn Peninsula, and golf, horse riding and fishing are also close by.

Note: Typical of many remote, rural properties, access is by a rough track.
Note: No TV or WiFi

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About the location


Beddgelert 3.5 miles; Porthmadog 10 miles; Betws-y-Coed 13 miles.

The tiny hamlet of Nant Gwynant is situated in the Nant Gwynant Valley, surrounded by some of the most dramatic and beautiful scenery in the whole of the Snowdonia National Park. Overlooked by the Snowdon, Yr Aran and Moel Hebog mountains and with wonderful wooded valleys, towering rocky slopes, hidden lakes and waterfalls all providing magnificent views, this is a fantastic location for anyone who enjoys the outdoors. Enjoy climbing, walking and mountain biking, with one of the main routes for ascending Snowdon, via the famous Watkin Path, starting in the valley. Nearby is Beddgelert, regarded as one of the most attractive villages in the United Kingdom and named after the famous legend of Gelert the dog. This lovely riverside village boasts quality pubs and eating houses as well as excellent outdoor pursuit centres, offering a variety of activities. Close by are wonderful beaches, castles, National Trust properties, slate caverns, mountain railways and the Portmeirion Italianate Village.

Note: Typical of many remote, rural properties, access is by a rough track.
Note: No TV or WiFi